[Moon-net] QSO or not

[F1DUZ]

Frank and Bernd
many thanks for your expedition, it was very nice and I am proud to have qso
with you 2 times in eme.
Forget these "pissers of vinegar" (french expression difficult to
translate). You have done a great job !!!
I don't understand where is their interest to be like that, it is a real
mystery for me!!

best 73

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Bosse" <dh7fb at gmx.de>
To: <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] QSO or not


Hi all! I was so long a "silent customer" of the moon-net news but in the
end I can't be quite anymore. As an operator in ZB2 I execrate some mails
here. I ask the question to all the hypocrites: what do you want? To debase
our activity? Or don't you really want to hold that there are only men are
driving thousends of kilomters, paying the hotel and blowing up the PA for a
lot of costs and making so many QSO's in the end? And that we all also make
failures especially when you make one qso after the other to bring a lot of
stations a new DXCC? And when my freind DF2ZC writes it was a typo-failure
in log you feel better to write that it can't be and "something strange"
happend during ZB2-dxpedition?? Or another OM makes some mistakes in the
program-options of WSJT you think you are right when you pubish in the open
spaces of the internet that the operators of the expedition don't respect
the rules of EME-QSO's? With the German Nietsche it's my opinion that I
can't puke so much as I'm able to eat! I call to all the reviewers sitting
at home and logging the Internet-chats from the cover for finding the fly in
the ointment: boost your arse and make also an EME- DXpedition and don't
make any failure during QSO's and also after it in analysis of the log! And
to all the "silent majority": We won't be frustrated and we will make more
activities especially for all freinds of the real HAM-spirit in CW and also
in JT65. Because a DX-pedition is not the right place to discuss the aspects
of digital work vs. work by ears and brain! In ZB2 we satisfied both
fractions. Who there has other priorities is not to be obliged to call us at
the places we will still want to go.
best 73 de Frank, DH7FB
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:24:02 +0200
Von: "Gerard van den Berg" <info at pe1btx.nl>
An: moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net
Betreff: [Moon-net] QSO or not

> Dear all, sorry for this bandwidt but
>
> I just now noticed that I'm more or less in the middle of the JT65 DS
> discussion in the ZB2 expd.
> After all the discussions on JT65 versus CW I feel it's time for a little
> reflection from my side.
> Let me 1st of all tell you that I'm not pro or contra CW neither pro or
> contra JT65
>
> I'm "PRO this hobby" no matter what modes are used during what
> propogations used.
> My opinion is that for a complete QSO you will need 2 parties to make it
> complete,
> wether you use JT65 or CW, both times errors can accure, mistakes can be
> made.
> You can "think" that you hear a certain call in CW when you listen long
> enough to noise.
> Also their are examples for false decodes by JT65 users.
> I liked the common from EA6VQ approx one year ago to do a CW EME contest
> only for opr's that
> had delated their mind from previous worked CW stations.
> Please let us stop this silly discussions and try to enjoy our hobby
> again.
> It's sad to see Jimmy spending so much time hunting JT65 errors that it
> looks like becoming his religion.
> It's also funny to see Jimmy copieing my commonts from the KST chat, I
> wonder Jimmy how you are
> logged in (fake call) as no one of us ever saw you their, are you secretly
> watching us making JT65 QSO's
> hidden from behind a bush?
> Please Jimmy, come out and play it fair, admit that JT65 is a wunderfull
> invention in this hobby giving
> loads of Ham's lot's of plessure just like CW does.
> OK, you may not like the mode for what ever reasons but please stop
> annoing us.
>
> Jimmy, it's a pitty you did not paste all my commonts from KST in your
> mail, my suggestion was to avoid
> this possible RO errors to do the same as we (PA2CHR/PE1LWT/PA3FPQ/PE1BTX)
> did during the november
> expedition to LX, we send RO text files  like   RO BTX MHE when working
> JH0MHEin the pile up.
>
> I understood from Bernd that it was a copy / paste typo error, but even
> when it was not, you still need
> 2 stations to complete a QSO,  in this case it was easy for me to claim
> ZB2 as complete but for what?
> I'm only fooling with myselve, so what's the fun?
>
> I hope the commonts from Jimmy will not stop Bernd and Frank to go on
> expedition again, they did a
> wunderfull job end gave a lot of people a new DXCC.
>
> Great job Bernd and Frank, despite my NC it was an FB operation, pse go on
> like this.
>
> P.S. Jimmy, when will you do an expedition to a rare DXCC ??
>
>
>
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