[Moon-net] [Moon] RE: PJ4EME CW activity 17 june

Fri Jun 15 09:42:44 CDT 2007

Bernd

thank you for your congratulations. I do not like reading posts  
devaluing on false grounds the only mode (cw/ssb eme) in which the  
operators (i know of) COPY the necessary information, in or above, the  
noise floor. In full.

I am afraid you insult both the 15 or whatever, ops who do know the  
callsign of PJ4EME in advance, like saying to them they will not copy  
it (only partially), and PJ4 boys doing the same. Perhaps this is your  
operating style? I hope not!

Don't be surprised if u see other callsigns also worked in their  
future list, not being among those 15 you mention. I wonder what else  
you will claim then.

73,
Jimmy SV1BTR

> Jimmy,
>
> Congratulations on your speed. As ususal you are once again shooting from
> the hip. I said nothing about last weekend, I'm talking of a communicated
> callsign list of possible stations BEFORE the time slot for CW.
>
> Here you have a string of 15 stations and now please don't tell me of
> information transferred, something that you and others obviously are not
> willing to understand - the difference between data bits and information
> bits. With 15 callsigns there are is only less than 4 bit of information
> transferred with one of those callsigns. Since PJ4EME is klnown already
> there is a 5th bit of information transferred with this callsign. You are
> always publicly complaining and lamenting about callsign lists but now this
> here is very much similar. And of course, no doubt all DATA bits are copied
> on air, be it CW or JT65. But now the information transferred is less. I
> hope this clarifies it now.
>
> And the PJ4EME team does know I very much give them credit for their
> excellent achievement and their very professional dxpedition.
>
> Peter CEW I know you are grateful to me now for giving you another input for
> your blog ;-)
>
> Vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jimmyv at hol.gr [mailto:jimmyv at hol.gr]
> Sent: Freitag, 15. Juni 2007 16:51
> To: DF2ZC
> Cc: Moon-Net; moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: RE: PJ4EME CW activity 17 june
>
> Bernd
>
> so how last Sunday they did not know who was calling and they made 10 cw
> QSOs on random, without preamp, filter and headphones? Same was true for
> those that worked them.
> You know why? Because they COPIED the signals. Not identified with some
> certainty 1/7 of the information to match it to a database list, as Deep
> Search (DS) decoder does in jt65. And as DJ5HG articles well have pointed
> out.
> Pls do not create false impressions and do unfortunate mode comparisons,
> when current digital status is at least -25db (300 times) and beyond, easier
> than cw. Plus the fact that in DS there is NO COPY of full information as
> required by EME operating procedures that apply for years.
>
> So give PJ4EME some credit for their cw FB work and being the only 2m
> expedition that at least keeps its promise and works both modes by honoring
> the time slots they had announced per mode.
>
> By the way, why didn't u try to work them too last Sunday or coming one,
> copy them yourself, and tx anywhere near their transmitting frequency; this
> is what happened when for example I had the QSO with
> them:-)
> So as to compare apples with apples and see for yourself the difficulty each
> mode entails.
>
> 73,
> Jimmy SV1BTR
>
>> hmmm...so the PJ4 teams knows in advance who will be calling, i.e.
>> which callsigns might be in the pileup. Isn't that exactly what is
>> always complained about the JT65 DS mode?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
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>> From: moon-bounces at moonbounce.info
>> [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Paul Chominski
>> Sent: Freitag, 15. Juni 2007 05:09
>> To: Marko Tsekov; PE1L Ren?
>> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
>> Subject: Re: [Moon] ] PJ4EME CW activity 17 june
>>
>>
>> WA6PY is also interested
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marko Tsekov <mailto:lz2us at orbinet.bg>
>> To: PE1L Ren? <mailto:moonnet at cqdx.nl>
>> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [Moon] ] PJ4EME CW activity 17 june
>>
>>
>>
>> Latest info about stations wanted to work PJ4EME on CW:
>>
>> CT1HZE
>> G4DHF
>> G3ZIG
>> DF6NA
>> IK2DDR
>> IV3GBO
>> I5WBE
>> K9DX
>> LZ1DP
>> LZ2US
>> YO2AMU
>> RA6DA
>> RN6MT
>> SV3AAF
>> EI4DQ
>>
>> 15 stations  for now................
>>
>> 73 de  LZ2US
>>
>>
>>
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