[Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)

Sat Jul 7 12:18:45 CDT 2007

Just a few brief words from a (mainly) JT65 operator (but Jimmy knows 
I do CW with the persistent - HI).

I can see some good points made by both sides (if there are sides on 
this).  What I wonder is if some of the JT65 DX operators are 
inexperienced on eme (silly question) and especially CW eme (or not 
proficient in CW - now that seems most unlikely for a Dxpeditioneer), 
then that may lead to unsatisfactory "mixed mode" operation.

I can see dividing time slots by mode as workable.  Probably, easier 
on the DX station (after all he is the workhorse on these trips)...or 
switching operators most experienced in each mode!  But then I can 
also agree that this is up to the DX station to decide.  Hopefully, 
these comments will be read and considered by future 
Dxpeditions.  BTW I was most pleased to work PJ4EME.  He has real 
patience getting my QRP out of the noise.

I am hoping some day to do one to VY1 which is only about 1000-miles 
east of me (HI).  First we need QRO with lightweight PSU; then a 
couple long-boom 2m yagis for antennas (I am not taking my 4x array 
on such).  Real-fun would be a VE8 DXpedition.

73 Ed - KL7UW

At 09:01 AM 7/7/2007, Dimitris Vitorakis wrote:
>Dear Bernd, Josep, Moon-Net members
>
>first of all i want to say I am very glad Josep EA3DXU and I, are in
>complete agreement per my earlier posting regarding future expeditions.
>
>To your comment about ZB2/DF2ZC eme operation in particular we have
>discussed it before in public as well as in private. I know of several
>stories and from own experience on expeditions having announced both modes,
>working jt65 only though, myself and others hearing and calling them in cw
>and they never switched to cw. For example, i did call the A25 expedition
>after you passed me the info yesterday, but no reply. So?
>The only final thing i would like to remind you, is the experience cw eme
>stations had with 3Y0X expedition. There, we had some cw skeds which were
>not honored, 98% of them. During my cw sked with them i was calling but they
>never came back to me. Moreover, some stations qrv in jt65 in n0uk logger at
>the time were mocking me and others trying to work them. What more can be
>said? This says it all.
>
>Therefore, dedicated dates/times for each mode (for those willing to work
>both modes if they see fit) is the best solution. Like PJ4EME did. There are
>stories where stations announcing mixed expedition do not even take a cw key
>with them, and/or have no headphones/speaker etc. for cw signals.
>
>As far as ZB2 expedition was concerned, the unlucky event of less pwr
>finally available vs limited time, would make it difficult for cw random
>contacts. Nevertheless, setup of most expeditions is perfectly fit for cw if
>things work out and Murphy does not hopefully visit.
>
>I do not wish to have any debate, i am only interested in what future
>brings. I stay with the thoughts i shared with Josep and all here, for
>trully mixed expeditions in the future, in the light of benefiting both
>modes and future operations.
>
>Finally, i am sure Wolfgang DL5MAE would very much like to work you from
>1A0KM, being a very experienced operator as you point out, can work many
>stations in pile-up situations and time is always enough. I know he loves
>challenge and has demanding operational standards, of true random QSOs
>without any Internet aid. Therefore, it would be a pleasure for all of us to
>copy your cw signals.
>
>73,
>Jimmy SV1BTR
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "DF2ZC" <df2zc at gmx.de>
>To: "'Tots els del Moon Net'" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
>Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net
> > [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Dimitris
> > Vitorakis
> > Sent: Samstag, 7. Juli 2007 16:22
> > To: J.M.Prat; Tots els del Moon Net
> > Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)
> >
> > (...)
> > Btw, in the last 5-6 yrs we have had at least >40 EME 2m dxpeditions, of
> > which 90% at least were done by mixed stations. However, ONLY 2 worked
> > cw....so i send the question back to you if i am allowed to, and wonder if
> > mixed stations are free of this prerequisite or not (as u asked).
> > At least if they are, they should not be announcing cw also, but only
> > doing
> > jt65.....as all unfortunately do (at least on 2m).
> >
> >
> > Dear Jimmy and all,
> >
> > First of all my opinion is that everybody who goes somewhere is free to
> > choose the mode he wants. The dxpeditioner sets the rules. Neither mode or
> > working both modes is mandatory. Sure, I also understand that CW only
> > stations are disappointed with the little or nonexisting CW activity in
> > recent dxpeditions.
> >
> > However, I can't let your comment above stand without response by me: I
> > take
> > the liberty to say I am an experienced EME operator in both CW and JT65 as
> > is my friend Frank DH7FB. We communicated a special CW calling frequency
> > during our recent activity from ZB2. This meant an additional "stress"
> > watching various frequencies for callers. Only...zero CW stations called
> > us.
> > I'm certain we would have copied them and switched to CW mode in case of
> > such a call. Not even you invested some time in trying to work us. Later
> > in
> > a private email you wrote to me CW station's standards are they don't call
> > in during such a "mixed" operation but they want a dedicated time slot. I
> > have little understanding for such an attitude but so be it. However, I
> > have
> > even less understanding for your complaint about ALL(!) dxpeditions that
> > communicated they'd also work CW but then didn't. We would have enjoyed
> > some
> > CW QSOs for sure.
> >
> > I wish Wolfgang the best of success in 1A0 and I'm certain he is the best
> > qualified person to do this EME activity from there. I won't call him
> > though. Sure I'd like to work that rare DXCC also on EME but since I
> > worked
> > it on meteorscatter already I don't want to steal time from others.
> >
> > vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
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73,
Ed - KL7UW
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