[Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)

Sat Jul 7 11:01:28 CDT 2007

Dear Bernd, Josep, Moon-Net members

first of all i want to say I am very glad Josep EA3DXU and I, are in 
complete agreement per my earlier posting regarding future expeditions.

To your comment about ZB2/DF2ZC eme operation in particular we have 
discussed it before in public as well as in private. I know of several 
stories and from own experience on expeditions having announced both modes, 
working jt65 only though, myself and others hearing and calling them in cw 
and they never switched to cw. For example, i did call the A25 expedition 
after you passed me the info yesterday, but no reply. So?
The only final thing i would like to remind you, is the experience cw eme 
stations had with 3Y0X expedition. There, we had some cw skeds which were 
not honored, 98% of them. During my cw sked with them i was calling but they 
never came back to me. Moreover, some stations qrv in jt65 in n0uk logger at 
the time were mocking me and others trying to work them. What more can be 
said? This says it all.

Therefore, dedicated dates/times for each mode (for those willing to work 
both modes if they see fit) is the best solution. Like PJ4EME did. There are 
stories where stations announcing mixed expedition do not even take a cw key 
with them, and/or have no headphones/speaker etc. for cw signals.

As far as ZB2 expedition was concerned, the unlucky event of less pwr 
finally available vs limited time, would make it difficult for cw random 
contacts. Nevertheless, setup of most expeditions is perfectly fit for cw if 
things work out and Murphy does not hopefully visit.

I do not wish to have any debate, i am only interested in what future 
brings. I stay with the thoughts i shared with Josep and all here, for 
trully mixed expeditions in the future, in the light of benefiting both 
modes and future operations.

Finally, i am sure Wolfgang DL5MAE would very much like to work you from 
1A0KM, being a very experienced operator as you point out, can work many 
stations in pile-up situations and time is always enough. I know he loves 
challenge and has demanding operational standards, of true random QSOs 
without any Internet aid. Therefore, it would be a pleasure for all of us to 
copy your cw signals.

73,
Jimmy SV1BTR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DF2ZC" <df2zc at gmx.de>
To: "'Tots els del Moon Net'" <moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net
> [mailto:moon-net-bounces at list-serv.davidv.net] On Behalf Of Dimitris
> Vitorakis
> Sent: Samstag, 7. Juli 2007 16:22
> To: J.M.Prat; Tots els del Moon Net
> Subject: Re: [Moon-net] 1A0KM QRV 2m EME (CW)
>
> (...)
> Btw, in the last 5-6 yrs we have had at least >40 EME 2m dxpeditions, of
> which 90% at least were done by mixed stations. However, ONLY 2 worked
> cw....so i send the question back to you if i am allowed to, and wonder if
> mixed stations are free of this prerequisite or not (as u asked).
> At least if they are, they should not be announcing cw also, but only 
> doing
> jt65.....as all unfortunately do (at least on 2m).
>
>
> Dear Jimmy and all,
>
> First of all my opinion is that everybody who goes somewhere is free to
> choose the mode he wants. The dxpeditioner sets the rules. Neither mode or
> working both modes is mandatory. Sure, I also understand that CW only
> stations are disappointed with the little or nonexisting CW activity in
> recent dxpeditions.
>
> However, I can't let your comment above stand without response by me: I 
> take
> the liberty to say I am an experienced EME operator in both CW and JT65 as
> is my friend Frank DH7FB. We communicated a special CW calling frequency
> during our recent activity from ZB2. This meant an additional "stress"
> watching various frequencies for callers. Only...zero CW stations called 
> us.
> I'm certain we would have copied them and switched to CW mode in case of
> such a call. Not even you invested some time in trying to work us. Later 
> in
> a private email you wrote to me CW station's standards are they don't call
> in during such a "mixed" operation but they want a dedicated time slot. I
> have little understanding for such an attitude but so be it. However, I 
> have
> even less understanding for your complaint about ALL(!) dxpeditions that
> communicated they'd also work CW but then didn't. We would have enjoyed 
> some
> CW QSOs for sure.
>
> I wish Wolfgang the best of success in 1A0 and I'm certain he is the best
> qualified person to do this EME activity from there. I won't call him
> though. Sure I'd like to work that rare DXCC also on EME but since I 
> worked
> it on meteorscatter already I don't want to steal time from others.
>
> vy 73 Bernd DF2ZC (JO30RN)
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